29th July Q&A: Blood Tests, CoQ10, Workouts and More

A question is asked about whether eating organ meats provides benefits for our own organs. Richard and Stephen discuss the benefits of organ meats, including high levels of vitamins and minerals that can benefit specific organs. However, they also note that while it may be beneficial to consume organ meats occasionally, it is not necessary to do so every day. 

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Richard and Steve discuss the importance of organ meats in the carnivore diet and how they can provide essential vitamins and minerals. They recommend eating a carnivore / keto diet that includes high-quality, nutrient-dense foods, and suggest mixing organ meats in with other meats. Then the hosts discuss the upcoming carnivore conference, where they will be speaking, and the benefits of splitting training sessions throughout the day. One listener asks about "micro workouts," where you do short bursts of exercise throughout the day, and the hosts discuss the potential benefits and drawbacks. They also mention a bodybuilder who only trains once every eight days. They also touch on the role of electrolytes and how too much potassium can contribute to muscle tightening. They share a few trivia facts, including the high energy demands of the brain and the potential for the human body to heal. They also mention an upcoming webinar on longevity with special guest doctor Abs. 

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A question is asked about whether eating organ meats provides benefits for our own organs. Richard and Stephen discuss the benefits of organ meats, including high levels of vitamins and minerals that can benefit specific organs. However, they also note that while it may be beneficial to consume organ meats occasionally, it is not necessary to do so every day. 

Richard and Steve discuss the importance of organ meats in the carnivore diet and how they can provide essential vitamins and minerals. They recommend eating a carnivore / keto diet that includes high-quality, nutrient-dense foods, and suggest mixing organ meats in with other meats. Then the hosts discuss the upcoming carnivore conference, where they will be speaking, and the benefits of splitting training sessions throughout the day. One listener asks about "micro workouts," where you do short bursts of exercise throughout the day, and the hosts discuss the potential benefits and drawbacks. They also mention a bodybuilder who only trains once every eight days. They also touch on the role of electrolytes and how too much potassium can contribute to muscle tightening. They share a few trivia facts, including the high energy demands of the brain and the potential for the human body to heal. They also mention an upcoming webinar on longevity with special guest doctor Abs. 

“Lucy” gets enough CoQ10 by eating a carnivore diet as it is found in all meats, particularly liver and heart. It is not necessary to consume fiber on a carnivore diet as it is not needed by the body and can actually worsen constipation. A study showed that removing fiber from the diet led to improvements in IBS, constipation, A woman asked if she was losing important nutrients by throwing away the white of eggs when consuming just the yolk for fat. The speaker said no and went on to explain how protein and carbohydrates are not necessary for our bodies and how our bodies can convert what we need from the fat and other nutrients we consume. 

Another listener asked about her son's high blood tests

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So welcome to the live question and answer session on Monday, 8 p.m.. We've got everybody in the room and we've got the best one, of course, the UK's top nutritionist as seen on TV. Richard Smith. Hi, Richard. Hello. Hello one and all. Hope you all have a fantastic day. Way too warm for me today. But the rest of you. But stuck in my box. It's, um. Yeah, yeah. Never mind. Now I've got my carnivore experience mug here. Uh, for those people that don't know about the carnival conference, do you want to do a very quick bit about it? Yes. I'll pop a link in as well. So, yeah, the carnival conference on the 14th and 15th of September. Two day event. Awesome lineup of speakers, including Steven and myself. The two best, obviously. Good question. Um, we've got Doctor Abbs. Come in on the Sunday. Uh, we've got Phil Scott, Ben Hunt. Uh, Jonathan from, um, uh, Carnival GB, uh, Carnival muscle. Who else is there? There's, um, Heather Foley speaking. Lots going on. We're looking to maybe implement things like, uh, meditation and yoga sessions, potentially. But that's not something that you have to do. But it's going to be fantastic event that's going to allow everyone to mix and mingle with the speakers. Um, most of the speakers will be there for the full weekend, so it's a great opportunity to speak to the speakers in between, uh, the talks. Um, really tap into their to their brains and get some personal advice, if you like, uh, food included. And it's in the fantastic setting of the Peak District, uh, incredible scenery. And I will put a link in the chat for anyone who wants to check that out. And can people just turn up for one day? Or do they have to do? Yes. Tickets are available for one day. Um, I'm just looking on there now to see. Um, they are available on one day. This, um, you probably need to drop me a message so we can sort up the notebook. Tickets are available for one day also. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay, well, Matthew has asked a question. Uh, he's the first one in the chat to ask a question. And that is something that was hung over from Sunday. We didn't get to your question, Matthew on Sunday. Sorry about that. Uh, what are your thoughts on micro workouts throughout the day? Mark Sisson and Brett Kerns recommend them. Um, how many are we talking in regards to micro sessions? What I do implement is split training. So for example, uh, and we've mentioned this, uh, a couple of times previously. Uh, the world record holder for 105 hundred mile, um, runs. Uh, I think it's Camille Herron. Uh, she is a doctor, a scientist. Uh, and she's looked into stress fractures and how to heal and repair the ligaments and tendons, which is usually what puts people out of action. We train too much. We train too far, we run too hard, and then we become injured, and we can no longer train. But what she discovered. Um, this research is already out there. I think she collated some of it and put some of it in in herself. But what she found is that if you were to split sessions throughout the day, i.e. one in the morning and one 6 to 8 hours after that, healing repairing process is massively upregulated and it also upregulate specific pathways, an enzyme that allows us to become fitter and adapt to that run. And that this this counts for for all sorts of physical activity. It could be sprinting. It's more set for things like running because it's difficult to go and run a marathon in training or 20 miles, but it's far easier to do ten in the morning and ten in the evening. Um, and that's how I do my training on the bike or the runs. I tried to split them one in a m, 1 p.m., uh, which is how we've always also recommended we split lifting weights and cardio because we don't want to do the two together in regards to less than that, I'm unsure. I haven't seen the research. If if we're talking, um, you know, 4 or 5 minute workouts of the day, I don't know. I haven't seen the research, but I know that the split training, um, allowing for a 6 to 8 hour gap is incredibly, uh, useful. And the. Well, the Matthews put an example in there, for example, one set of chin ups four times a day rather than all in one go. Yeah, I don't know. I'll have to check the research. It's. I mean, do you. Do you? Do you want me to just go through what I know about it? Because it's something that I've been asked about before. So, um. Well, he's protocol is, uh, founded on consistency over intensity, which is so straight away I'm not overly keen on, um, because I think you should go to failure. I think it should be intense, because I think most of the studies show that, um, if you go to failure, you get better results. But in saying that, uh, his biggest argument is interrupts periods of inactivity. So what you're doing is you're fighting that sort of sedentary lifestyle. Now, I've just done the x ray bar, hence me being red in the face working to to to failure ten minutes. But for sets up sorry four exercises, all to one set, all to failure. Uh, I would not want to do that. In four bits. I would not want to do my deadlift. Then go and do some stuff and then do my bicep. Uh, then go off and do some stuff and then come back and just do a row, then go off, do some stuff, then do my calf. I don't think personally that fits most people's lifestyle. Now, my old adage is when people say to me, when is the best time to work out? I always answer when you can do it. Because there's no good me saying to somebody, you know, like saying, Mike, they're, you know, 4:00 in the morning, mate. That's the best time. If he's not going to be getting up at 4 a.m., even if the science, you know, I could send him brilliant studies saying that's going to give you the most muscle growth. You're going to look the best you've ever looked. Well, if you can't do it, you can't do it. I mean, it's just it's it's ridiculous to to be driven by studies and sort of people that are influencers who can do this throughout the day. It's it's a bit like looking at Paul Saladino and, you know, who can do four hours of surfing every day and charge £1,000 for an hour consultation. You know, There's nobody in this room properly. So we've got to be realistic. I think Matthew's question is excellent because if you are in that situation, you're at home. I'll go pull up bar at home. And, uh, you know, this morning I want to do some pull ups. I could have done some pull ups. So it isn't a thing I would say is particularly bad, but I don't think it's particularly realistic for a person that's working, you know, um, 9 to 5, Monday to Friday doing shift work. I just feel it's a great idea. But possibly not practical for the sort of people that we're dealing with day to day. I can't think of anybody that I deal with where I could say to them, break your workups workouts up into four different sections throughout the day. There's also the sort of logistics. I mean, I am still sweating from that. I've had a shower. So if I really push myself and yet, let's say the chin ups, I really push myself on a hot day, you're going to be sweaty, uncomfortable for the rest of the day. I don't want to force showers. So, uh, I think I think, Matthew there are saying you could take adjustable dumbbells to to your office. You could? Absolutely. But I still think if you're working out really hard, doing it four times a day, I think you're going to be sweaty. I think you're going to be uncomfortable. I think you're going to, uh. Yeah. I just feel it's not practical. I think if your job was an athlete, then I think it's great because that's how we train athletes. Uh, or body. But if you're going for bodybuilding and and reach it, you know, you're always talking about activating mTOR. Uh, I won't use the same phraseology as you because, you know, I don't want to be accused of nicking it. Steve, you can use any of my terminology. I will never have a dig. Okay, so there you go. I don't know if it confer a benefit or not, but I do believe that, um. Fitting into your daily life is a big thing when it comes to workouts. This way of eating everything. And for me, it doesn't really fit. I can't think of anyone in the last five years I've coached or even the last 15 years, even when I was high carb and even when I was a personal trainer, like full time advanced personal trainer, the only person I would have possibly recommended this to is is the person that I got to the Olympics, because that's what they were doing. They were training and and we could do that. We could do split days, which which was fantastic. And she would type one diabetic, by the way, which is where my interest in diabetes all came from, all stemmed from that. So, um, great question. Matthew got us interestingly, also, Steve, just the opposite end of the scale. To that, I did a consultation with a gentleman from the States this week who had achieved incredible things in in bodybuilding and compete in professionally. Um, his protocol was to train once every eight days. So the complete opposite. This guy was huge. Absolutely gigantic. Um, obviously genetically predisposition to to gain muscle hand over fist. But he was convinced that training once every eight days was the key. Um, so it's crazy. Isn't all of these different aspects and different differences in opinions? Um, but yeah, that that was an inside joke for anyone who was watching the YouTube live last night in regards to stealing scenes. Yeah, we won't get into that, but we won't get into that. But anyway, um, yeah. So I mean, the the thing is, you know, when they, uh, or they, um, when they had had their were, uh, studied and people hadn't studied them before, and they worked out that the average man was, uh, walking eight miles a day and the average woman was walking five miles a day. They assumed that they would be super, super efficient, uh, because they were doing it every day. And they were gobsmacked that they were no more efficient than an American, a European and Asian person walking. And yet they did it every day. Uh, there is a lot more to working out and the physiological responses from working out them than I think we fully understand, because it confused everybody when they saw these results. And there's some brilliant research on that. And if there's no questions at the end, I might get into that because it really does talk about, um, your metabolic rate and how surprising it is that if doing nothing for a long period of time actually can be beneficial, as you just said, you're going they're not training for six days or eight days, you know, and then being huge because he really worked out once. There's a lot of truth to that. I think a lot truth to that. I'm not recommending people who suddenly give up their training regime if they're happy with what they're doing, but I certainly wouldn't. I wouldn't listen to the mainstream influences as much and put as much credence in as as maybe they would like you to, because I think there is more to this, and I do think minimal training, but a maximum intensity definitely has a place in this way of, uh, eating and living. It was a great question, but do you think it really got us into something? Um, we got Tracey has actually put a question up. I'm not doing any of the questions from the website at the moment. I'm actually doing people in the room because I know Richard prefers that, uh, question. Friends. Son is 19, having headaches, nausea, lots of loss of appetite, shortness of breath, tired and weak. Occasional fast heart. Doctor says serum creatinine 126. Hemoglobin 178. Red blood count six. Uh sorry, 5.81. All above high reference limit. Uh raised concerns about kidney and thinks he and thinks him increasing his beef intake to five days a week since October is the cause. I told friend I'd ask you guys. So first thing, Tracy, we can't, um, give you any advice as a doctor. It's not a doctor patient relationship, so we can just give you information if you wanted coaching and more nuanced responses than, uh, Richard or myself can both do the coaching. Uh, with the Bloods, I would say that we'd need more context for that, because I'm wondering if you are talking about serum serum creatinine rather than creating. There is a difference. Creatinine is a waste product of protein and metabolism, and that does tend to go up. Um. Hemoglobin. I would need to know a lot more about the red blood cells, and possibly serum iron and a few other things to to comment on that and the red blood count. You need all of the markers for the for the red blood cells like the mean corpuscular value and a few other things. So if you've got blood, Tracy, you can always email me at zero carb coach at gmail.com. Might be able to give you a little look over those bloods, right? Um, raised concerns about kidneys and whether this will always happen with carnivore when you eat more protein. You can go on YouTube. You don't have to listen to me. You can look at some nurses and websites that are nothing to do with Carnival. If you go on to nurses website, that is a gear to phlebotomy and they talk about the blood urea nitrogen being slightly high, they always say ask the patient, are you eating more protein than normal? Because what happens when you eat more protein than normal? The blood urea nitrogen or bun reading as some people call it, does go up. So so does your creating in, which is like I say, the clearance of uh, protein metabolism. And if they go high, because the reference ranges are not geared for people that eat a lot protein, they get flagged. And it's very reductive thinking. They just think, right, okay, well, there must be a problem with a kidney because these reference ranges are high, not why are they high? Uh, and not actually talking to the patient and, um, having some clinical experience of that patient, which, uh, believe it or not, I get every week at least once a week, I get people being told these are really high. These are really, really high. You need to stop this. And, uh, the person dealing with me, talking to me always says, but I feel great. Stephen, I'm off my blood pressure meds. I'm off. I'm off my diabetic meds. I've lost £70. Why are they telling me that it's all going wrong? I said because they are simply not looking at you. They are looking at a tick box and the reference ranges, and it's absolutely frightening to me, uh, that they can't look at you as a person because in the end, that's what's that's what's important. And I think I've, I've been one of the guys I spoke to who who was constantly being told that his TSH was subclinical, which it was. If you look at the reference ranges and we did a thought experiment because he had his, um, TSH measured from 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, you know, a couple of times in 2023 and it was always below the 0.4 to 4 range. It was always about 0.3 the TSH. Right. And I said to him, well, what is the what is the purpose of TSH. Well that's to to produce T4 from the thyroid. So when we looked at his T4 it was all in range. Perfect actually. You know, the range was like 10 to 20 and it was always like 15, 16, something like that. Uh, and I just I just think it's it it was incredible because I said to him, um, can I firstly publicly show these, obviously take your name off of it? And he said, yes, I can do that. And secondly, I said, well, let's do a thought experiment. Let's imagine you are the first person that's ever given blood, and I'm the lucky person that has to work out what are the ranges for TSH? And I know that TSH is actually telling your thyroid to make T3. And I look at your T3 and it's absolutely bang on. Perfect for four years at five different readings. What am I going to assume about your TSH? I'm going to assume it's perfect because it's doing the job that it's designed to do, and my reference range would be less than 0.4 because yours is always less than 0.4. But that's not how it works. So that's the thing. I hope you followed that, because the point being, we've got to get back to what the function of these things is, not that it's out of range, it's high, which is a, you know, a pejorative term or low again, which has sort of connotations. It's this number. What is this number? What is it measuring? And is that level sufficient to make the person function. That's it. So again using a really ridiculous example, I had somebody who was really strict carnivore for a long period of time, very active, incredibly low blood glucose, which technically, as I put my diabetic consultant hat on, would be hypoglycemic. But at that level, she was out in the yard, moving big logs around every single morning, putting put in a workout on Instagram and saying, here's my really low blood glucose. Look what I'm doing. So it is about how you're getting on. And sorry, that's a very long answer, but it is a little bit of a bugbear of mine. Yeah. Just to jump onto the back of what you've said, Steve, I think the, the, the Rangers are just checking the Rangers. They don't seem to be extremely high comparative to, to normal Rangers anyway. Um, but I mean, the question there is what is what is this diet like? I mean, has he gone carnivore? Is this is this come to fruition since he's adopted a more ketogenic carnivore way of living? Um, you know, there are lots of reasons why you would suffer with headaches and loss of appetite. Um, these can be initiated as we gravitate into the lifestyle in general. Lots of other bugs and things going around. Um, the shortness of breath could be things like the vegetable oils, the oxidized omega six, which increased from boxing and leukotrienes. Um, yeah. I think we'd need a lot more information to, to to delve into that a little bit, I think. But um, but yeah, it's, uh, I'm, I'm not belittling the symptoms. I'm just belittling the myth. I just want to say thank you both and, uh, just say, yeah, mummy's actually vegetarian. He's not. Dad eats meat, and he's. I think he's decided to increase his meat intake. And I think the doctors now scared her by saying it could be meat. But I suggested that she get in touch with one of you about just coaching and talking her through those, because I talked to her about reference ranges and I said they're all pretty much hokum because they change, don't they, from lab to lab. And she was like, what? I said, I would ask you this question, but I thought she'd probably be best just having a coaching session with one of you and just having you talk her through it. Um, because she knows I'm carnivore and she's she's totally fine with that. She's not like a vegan. She's not. She's not trying to burn me at the stake for being. And she's fine with them eating meat, but the doctors obviously flagged up kidney issues. And with her not eating meat, she's like, oh, crikey, is that right? And I said, I don't think it is. No, but I would approach the subject with you too. So I will email you, Stephen and um, send you what I have from him, and then you can give me advice on coaching. And because you're very good with Bloods, aren't you? So I thought I'd send it your way, Stephen, if that's okay. Well, that's very kind of you. I mean, Richard is fabulous as well with all those symptoms there. Headaches, nausea, loss of appetite, shortness of breath. He could deal with that as well. So, uh. Yeah. Yes. That's very kind. That's very kind of you. Um. Thank you. Thank you both. That's okay. Uh, right. Uh, Lucy. Hello, Lucy. Um, I normally eat mainly the egg yolk to get the fat when having eggs and throw away the white. Apart from throwing away protein, am I throwing away any important nutrients? Lucy? Well. Great question. Yeah, the white is jam packed full of other nutrients, isn't it? Um, and the connective tissue, as Stevens mentioned in one of his YouTube videos, has had a stupid amount of views. Um, that little skin that connects the the albumin, uh, or the egg white to the shell is full of collagen. Um, yes. I mean, it does also contain, um, the, the anti nutrients. So when people suffer with any condition is usually found in the white or in fact it's, I've never known it to come from, from the yolk York itself. But yeah, there are lots of nutrients in that. I mean, if we eat an egg contains everything, it contains every. In fact, one egg would contain almost every vitamin and mineral that you'd need, you know, to, to survive. You could you could survive on one egg a day in regards to achieving the vitamin and mineral, um, at the bottom end. So eggs are highly nutrient dense, but they, as nature intended, they provide us with everything that we need. It's not just protein. It goes way deeper than the protein. The amino acid profile, the vitamins, minerals, um, consume the egg whites if you can. Uh, if you don't have, uh, an autoimmune problem, if eggs don't upset your stomach, then try to keep keep the egg whites in. If they do. I mean, just look for a can continue to consume the egg yolk because they are a fantastic source of choline, which makes up every cell in the body that imperative for the function and creation of acetylcholine, which helps create our neurotransmitters. Um, but eggs are highly nutrient dense. Um, if I'm eating an egg, I very rarely, uh, remove one part is, uh. And if anything, I usually remove the yolk because I'm usually looking to to drop a few extra pounds, but highly nutrient dense. Eat eggs. Is nature intended? Is the overall, uh, mutual aid protein that, uh, some people react to? So you might hear that some people. Uh, thrive on eggs, but only on the yolks. But I would definitely try the whites if you can, because you are throwing some stuff out there that can be pretty good. Um, and the reason that protein actually is troublesome is because cooking doesn't reduce it at all. Um, hence you get the problems, uh, whether you, uh, do a Rocky and you eat six raw eggs in the morning before you go training or, uh, whether you cook it. So, anyway, I was one of my favorite things in a film I've ever seen. Actually, I was a very, uh, easily influenced teenager when I was training. And the first Rocky movie, when he does his first training session and he, uh, breaks six eggs, I think is into a glass beaker and just drinks them raw. I actually tried that the next day. I would not recommend going from never doing that to that amount. But anyway, uh, right, here we go. I years later, I met him, actually. So, uh, that's that's for another day, right? Um, so let's get back to Matthew. Matthew monopolizing the questions, but that's okay. The bodybuilder from the USA that has had a consultation with Richard is the following Doug McGrath's body by, um, is he following Doug McGrath's body by science? Do you know? No, I unsure, but incredibly knowledgeable gentlemen. Um, I did tap him up to join the community, so maybe one day we'll get him on a live. Um, but, yeah, incredibly knowledgeable in the world of training. Absolutely massive. Um, yeah. If I ever went back to training, I think I'd be tapping him up for, uh, for some bulk and advice. Excellent. Okay. Lisa's asking. Stephen, can you read us blood results? I live in Bermuda, and we use the US references. Absolutely. Definitely can. Um, it's really weird when you're online because I got told off for, uh, we were doing something, I think Richard and I and a couple of other people, and I said, oh, for the Americans, I would do it in the American numbers. And I had a few comments saying, no, don't worry about the Americans. We're in the UK. They can learn to us like so can't win. But anyway, yes, I can translate all the, uh, all the numbers to the American numbers quite easily. And actually, Richard touched on the fact that different labs have different ranges, or I think actually, Tracy might have said it. That's true too. Um, the way they do the, uh, assumptions for the EGFR can change a little bit as well. Anyway, Lucy, do we get enough CoQ10 by eating a carnivore diet? I believe heart is high in CoQ10, but does normal meat have it, uh, to in adequate amounts? Yeah. All all meats contain ubiquitin or coenzyme Q10. Other good sources of coenzyme Q10 could be any other organ related liver. Heart, as you say, is probably the best per 100g, but we get plenty. We only need a small amount. Um, the coenzyme Q10 allows us to to create DNA, which is one of the things that is blocked when we consume Statines. Uh, this block some of validated pathway, which is a shared pathway to, to ketone production. But yes, we get everything that we need from grass fed beef and uh, and lamb. Lamb in particular. Uh, in fact, I'm going to check up to see what the ratio is of CoQ10 in regards to beef and lamb, because I'm sure it's higher. When I checked the other day, I recently done, um, a big fat analysis and amino analysis against the beef and lamb, and I'm sure the coenzyme Q10 was a lot higher, but I'll do that as we're going through the other questions now. But, um, I can see we've missed the question as well, Steve, in regards. There's one there in regards to fibre. Go for it. So John has said, can I ask a there's no such thing as a city question, by the way, a lot of people say to me that we need fibre and I'm not sure what to say to this. We don't need fibre. Plain and simple. Are um, in short. And the reason when we look at what fibre is, uh, fibre breaks down into a short chain fatty acid called butyrate and butyrate binds to the colon site in the gut and it feeds the colon. A site, uh, that that, um, that boosted further breaks down into beta hydroxybutyrate, which is the ketone body that we produce when we're ketogenic or carnivore. Except the difference for us is that we don't need the butyrate to bind to the colon site because it's running through our blood. The BHB is feeding every colony site in the gut. So that's the first thing. Basically the the the boot. Let's think of that again. The build rate breaks down into beta hydroxybutyrate. Um, but we already have the beta hydroxybutyrate. That said, butyrate, which is a short chain fatty acid, is not the only short chain fatty acids that are the short chain fatty acids. Animal proteins contain isaw butyrate, valproate, and propionate, which arguably feed the gut microbes at a higher rate than butyrate itself. Several studies have shown that we can increase the alpha diversity in the gut by doing so, and we did this with Ben Zadeh, who recently did. I did a podcast with Ben. He released his, um, his Bloods and going from carnivore when he was, uh, still consuming certain vegetables to 90 days of carnivore, um, so keto to carnivore, uh, he increased the bio or the, uh, alpha diversity within his gut through cutting out vegetables. Veg is an anti nutrient, so even though it contains short chain fatty acids, there's lots of other nasties in there that are going to cause inflammation. Um, and many other problems with within the gut. Um. Why else would we consume fiber? We're told that it helps with transit time, which if we eat fiber. Yes it does, but why would you want do is the question. When we consume animal proteins, for example, it takes 24 to 48 hours to travel through the digestive system to absorb those nutrients. It takes time to absorb nutrients, which is why if we consume a multivitamin, it doesn't work in the same way a multi-vitamin contains everything in one go. Now, the first thing with this is many of those compounds are found from plant compounds. They're not humor in human form and they are very different things. Um, a quick example is beta carotene is not retinol. Retinol is true vitamin A, beta carotene is just a precursor. Much of the the, um, uh, the things like iron, uh, that are contained in it are quite literally dug out of the ground. The inorganic. Um, so what we find in a vitamin supplement is very dissimilar to what we would find from animal proteins. Now, when we consume all of those things in one go. Many of them compete for absorption. Many compete. So there are many compounds in there. Uh, glucose and vitamin C, we know to be one. For example, many the B vitamins will compete for absorption. Um, many of the minerals that we consume, magnesium competes with potassium and so on and so forth. Um, the calcium. Sorry. So when we consume these, there's that competition. So very little of what we consume in that multi vitamin is actually absorbed. Uh, this is why when we go to the toilet, if we're on something, uh, that contains lots of iron, it changes the color of what comes out because much of it isn't being absorbed. So when we consume plant compounds and it speeds up transit time, then our bodies are no longer absorbing the nutrients as much as they should be. Um, people will consume fibrous compounds to help with constipation, but fiber has been shown to be the main contributor of constipation. And when we remove fiber and in fact, there's a study that Paul Mason and various other people have referenced over the last year or two, which show that in a study where they removed the fiber from everybody, everybody's IBS, uh, and um, uh, what else was it? There was, uh, constipation and bleeding and straining and everything to do with pooping all improved, basically. If all improved, it improved with everybody and it was completely eradicated in many. Um, so I think it was in everybody, actually, Richard. It was everybody. Yeah. I think, yeah. 62 people in the study and the ones that had no fiber had complete resolution of every single symptom, which is like anal fissures and bleeding and, and absolutely everything. And it's quite a funny thing to watch on YouTube because Paul Mason presents it and, uh, he shows sort of the high fiber group and, and all the symptoms and the chart, then the medium fiber group, and there's, you know, some bars there showing a few symptoms. And then he flicks on to no fiber, and there's zero on there and there's a big laugh. And he says, don't worry, I haven't forgot to put the data on. It's just that everybody got rid of all their symptoms. So, um, I'm going to just share something. So sorry to interrupt you there, but I'm just going to share something that we're going to put on school. Uh, because this question does come up a lot. And I don't think that Richard has seen this before, so I, I, I will put this on and then Richard can say, yeah, that's a nice addition to the school's resources. So this is just a few of the studies that I've actually collated. So the impact of fiber on autoimmune diseases, recent studies reveal surprising findings. So I'm just going to paraphrase. And obviously we do an audio podcast so some people won't see this, but they can hear that it reduced colitis symptoms. It induced clinical remission of Crohn's. It inhibits intestinal inflammation and it reduced rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. So all of these things here I will make into a PDF. And you know it's from reputable scientific um. Journals like Cell Host Microbe here, and it's all up to date, so people can't say, oh, this is old news. This was available 14th of November, 2023. Fiber deficient diet inhibits colitis through the regulation of niche and metabolism of the gut. Right. So we can explain all that which I do actually I always put what these things really are. But the studies there, as you can see, if you're watching on the, you know, YouTube or wherever, that they, they hide all of the good things in a lot of terminology. But a high fiber diet exacerbated arthritis via microbial alterations and intestinal inflammation. That's a high fiber diet. Made arthritis worse, made intestinal inflammation worse. Uh, fiber free diets are effective. Uh, is an effective steroid sparing treatment to induce clinical remission in children with Crohn's. This is what they found. So I've highlighted all the bits that are key. If you want to sort of show them to your friends. Um, but I also goes into why do why do we see the mainstream push in fibre? What's in it? Why are they doing that? And I've got a chart here that shows the combined share ownership of Blackrock, Vanguard, uh, State Street and Global Advisors and Capital Group. All of these are food companies and they have seen their profits rocket and they have a huge investment in fibre based products. Um, so it's money basically prompting in an exploration of why fibre is often erroneously promoted as inherently healthy. There have been studies why this is happening. It is nothing, nothing to do with health. And just to highlight what um, Richard talks about very much is dietary fibre. The butyrate is in the gut side and it enters the interior sites, and there's all these, um, steps before it starts to enter the. Uh, TCA cycle. Well, on the blood side, you've got ISO butyrate, beta hydroxybutyrate, acid, acetone, acetate, um, coming in here. So we can get all of those, uh, processes from the blood side from protein. And the other thing is this production of short chain fatty acids. Now, normally the people that promote fiber are also those that say saturated fat is bad for you. Well, you've got to tell them we'll get your act together, guys, because you're promoting fiber. Fiber makes short chain fatty acids, and that's a saturated fat. So do you want saturated fat or do you not want saturated fat? And see if I can answer that because there won't be able to because it makes no sense. And finally, one person that I really recommend you watch Richard's channel and subscribe because he gets some really big stars on there. Um, and, uh, what I would what I would say to you is there's one with Zoe Hachem. There's an interview with Zoe Hachem and and also Tim Noakes, by the way. But Zoe Hachem is very big on fibre and she summed it up for it for me really nicely. She said, what is fiber? It's an indigestible polysaccharide, so that means lots of sugar you can't digest. So, uh, a very big answer to that about fiber and many, many reasons not to eat it. Um, the bottom line for me is you can't digest it, and it hides a lot of things, actually, that are problematic for you. Um, and when you remove the fire but reveal some problems, that's been like a Band-Aid over. So, uh, shall we go to the next question, Richard? Yes. Fire away. Sorry, I muted myself. You did? I was trying to find this coenzyme in lamb, but I can't find it a second. But I will get it for the next the next life. But yeah, I knew you were somewhere else doing some work there, I could tell. Hence me waffling, but I don't think I waffle too much. I think I stayed on, uh, stayed on track there. So here's a question. This is from, uh, Kayla. Um, since the CoQ10 question came up, I read an article that basically said eating the organs of animals in general provides benefit to our organs. For example, brain uh is high in omega three seconds, which benefits our brain, thymus is good for immunity, etc. would that be a good reason to eat organs now and again? Or only if maybe we have specific issues that we need to treat? Yeah. Fantastic question. Um, I consume organ meats now and again. Um, I don't think there's something we should consume in high quantities every day. And the only reason I say this is we should eat as nature intended. So if we from the tribe, for example, caught a big animal, the predominated within the animal is the muscle meat. The organ meats make up a comparative a small portion. So if we were to divide up between the tribe, then our serving of those organ meats is going to be very low comparative to to the muscle meat. Um, there are concerns with, uh, things like copper toxicity and vitamin E toxicity. I don't think there's an awful lot in this mind. Um, we can get into that as well if you if you, if you guys wanted to, but, um, you know, the whole vitamin E, uh, toxicity thing, it comes from polar explorers where the, the liver, there contains a thousand times more vitamin E. Um, and again, just eating liver isn't has as nature intended. You know, we wouldn't just eat liver. Uh, when we consume the muscle meat, we consume these with other compounds. So I think the big one that I've seen going around at the moment, or the question that I've, I get asked a lot recently, is about copper. Um, you know, what about copper toxicity? Um, but copper toxicity is is cancelled out, if you like, by zinc, which is then found in, in organ meats. So as long as we're consuming the organ meats, um, there's, there's a protein called, uh, metallic onion, which binds. That's a mouthful that binds the copper and the zinc together and allows us to process it and excrete that out. So when we consume everything as nature intended, all of these problems and things go away. Um, so the the short answer is, look, you don't have to. Um, I think there is a benefit to consume organ meats occasionally. Uh, for me, that's maybe once, twice a week. Depend. I love eating hard. Heart is fantastic. Liver I can't stand. I've tried lamb. Lamb liver is is okay. Um, I have beef liver at home. I had some last night and I didn't enjoy it. I want to enjoy my food. I, I eat to to thrive. Uh, but I do love eating food. I love it. And beef and lamb I don't really love eating liver, so I only eat it when the butcher gives it to me for free. That's. That's what gives it to me for free quite often. Um, lamb liver is okay, but what I tend to do with the organ meats. Many people don't like organ meats. So my butcher will mix and blend, uh, a percentage of organ meats in with beef mince. So he'll take some chuck. He'll mince the chuck along, maybe with some heart and kidney and liver. Um, and I'll do around, like a ten, 10% mix. So 90, ten, 90% beef, 2 to 10% organ meats. That is enough that you can't taste it. And it's not overwhelming once you become high, once you put a higher percentage in, um, you can start to smell and taste the organ meats. And this may be enough to put many people off, um, organ meats. A fantastic, if you can put them in. But can you put them in? I've tried every, every organ that you can think of, but yes, I mean, you are right. Um, you know, the one that came to mind when you mentioned that was testicles because it's high in testosterone and it produces it allows you to build testosterone, believe it or not. Um, and for this reason, I used to eat lots of, uh, testicles when I was bodybuilding. Um, but, yeah, it's the the the organ meats they supply nutrients to to specific organs within the body. Um. I'll leave it up to you. It's all going to meet a fantastic. But you don't need to eat them. The likes of Anthony Chaffey never consumes organ meats. Um, I don't think Sean Baker does, you know. Um, you know. No. So, you know, we don't have to consume them. We can thrive without them. When we get to this point. It's almost an extra lever to pull, if you like. You know, we we quite often when we become carnivore, we start to question everything. Or am I eating too much? The kidney thing, for example, earlier, uh, is eating too much animal proteins bad for my kidneys or is it causing this damage? I've I've I've got a headache or I feel dizzy or something has happened. We never questioned any of those things. When we were stuffing our face with McDonald's and Pop Tarts, we never questioned that it was the food that was making us ill and Tajik, and giving us brain fog and migraines and hormonal issues. Now that we're eating highly nutrient dense foods, you know, we need to understand that they contain every vitamin A mineral that we need not just to survive, but thrive. And when we remove those toxic compounds, this allows the body to heal and repair the way that it should. It doesn't mean that when when there's a problem, it's because we're eating these things. But when we're in, you know, when we're in it, we don't see it. But if all you eat is beef and liver, you're going to thrive. If you can put some organ meeting as well, then fantastic. Uh, but when you look at the percentage of organ meats, comparative sort of muscle meats comparative to organ meats. Yes. The volume of vitamins and minerals are a lot lower, but then we eat 5 to 10 times the amount of that muscle meat compared to the organ meats. When you put that into perspective, many of these compounds marry up almost exactly to to what we would get per 100g of organ meats, because we wouldn't really eat, you know, we wouldn't have a plate full of hearts I have in the past. You know I'm not saying to not do those things, but if if we eat as nature intended, then we can get everything we need from from muscle meat and just put the organ meat in. If, if, if you, if you want do and should you and do. Yeah. No, I think I can say when you talk about your bodybuilding there you were talking a lot of balls, but she's pretty good. Um, yeah. And I think when you were talking about testicles and all that, that that was interesting. Just just to take a little bit of time out to, to tell my story. Uh, I quite like the organ meats, lamb's liver. I've eaten raw, but small amounts. Very small amounts. Um, I think when people talk about copper toxicity is when people are eating organ meats and also supplementing with organs, I think if that's not the way nature intended. The supplements are there for you. If you really want organ meats and you don't like the taste of them. That that. That's my take on why the supplements are there. Uh, if you actually dive into a lot of the liver supplements and you find out what's in there, you will find that many of them are full of disaccharides and polysaccharides. Um, if you have a thing with sugar, then you you should really dive in. And don't just look at what the main thing says is in there. Look at what that compound actually consists of, and you'll be very surprised. Um, when we talk about the body, we talk about so many different things. Just as a little bit of trivia, if you're looking at the the metabolic rate of a human being and you cut it into what, what needs the most energy? Um, unbelievably, if you look at muscle, it takes about 16% of your resting metabolic rate, is 16% goes to the muscle. The fat cells take about 5%. The heart takes 12%, the lungs take 5%, the kidneys take 9%, and the liver takes 20% of your metabolic rate takes 20% of your energy to run the liver. That's so this is based on somebody that's just basically lying on a bed having everything measured. So, uh, then we got the GI tract 16% and the brain is 20%. So many people think, oh, the brain is super hungry for energy. Well, the liver is, uh, and in fact, that energy is like, uh, the amount of energy you you need to run A5K for both the liver individually and the brain if you're into all that sort of trivial stuff. So there really use a lot of energy and, um. Just thought. I just thought you might like to know that. So I'm just going off the, the the track there a little bit. Uh, but yes, if you want organ meats, eat them, but they're not essential. And if you don't like the taste of them, then that's, I think, when the supplements come in. Uh, Lucy is just giving us a brilliant bit of information there. That carnivore has significantly improved my IBS. Well, that's actually on behalf of Josh, because, uh, they come on as a couple, which is really good. Matthew here is like a plant, which is really good. Uh, is Doctor ABS, along with Stephen and Richard on zoom. Live stream on school on for the school members this Thursday. Yes, doctor Abbott is talking about longevity. Thursday, 8 p.m.. Don't miss it. Uh, the first Thursday of every month, we're going to try and get him on as a guest. Right. So, Lisa, now, uh, I have electrolytes. I have an electrolyte product that prioritizes potassium ketones, daily minerals. Can too much potassium contribute to muscle tightening? Based on your comment, Richard, how potassium competes with magnesium. You're muted. No no no. Fantastic question. Um, yes it can. Uh, this is why the electrodes that I make have far higher amounts of magnesium in there. But I'm just going to look at this now to see what sort of ratio we're looking at and what type of magnesium it has in there. Um, usually electrolyte formulas, um, don't prioritize potassium, which in my opinion should always be prioritized. Uh, sodium depletes potassium. And when we gravitate into this lifestyle, I apologize. I'm looking for this, uh, this electrolyte formula as I speak. Um, but it can deplete potassium. Um, by doing so, it can lead to hyperkalemia, which is, uh, another side effect of oxalate detox. Um, yeah. I can't find them. Let's have a look. See if they're on Amazon. No, I can't find them on Amazon either. I'm guessing Lisa, this is, uh, a US product. Ours is mainly American. Yeah, I think there are these. I found one in New Zealand. Let's take a look at this. Uh, yeah. I mean, it comes down to ultimately how much magnesium there is in there and whether it's bioavailable, things like oxide, an incredibly low, uh, in, uh, bioavailability, things like Citra, it's going to be a lot higher glycine it um, so it is going to make a difference depending on what type of magnesium is in there. But while I search this, Steve, let's move on to another question. Um, I want to see if I can find the ratio. I mean, yes, it is the answer. It can. Um, but this is why we need a product that contains higher levels of, uh, of magnesium. Right. Okay. Uh. Uh, Kayla is saying I'm really into brain energy since I work in trauma, my patients with TBI, which which is traumatic brain injury, a very hyper metabolic. Yeah. And I think that's one of the things that's really interesting is when you start looking at how much energy the brain consumes, considering its mass in comparison to the rest of the body, it does really take a lot of energy. Um, you could really get into, um, the floors in, calories in, calories out. Actually, when you look at the brain, because when you are having your sort of workout assessed and or you're on the treadmill and it tells you how many calories you've burnt, you know, some, uh, that's how people speak. I don't particularly speak like this. That's not how many calories you burn, actually, because you have to look at what would be happening if you didn't exercise and what would your at rest metabolic rate be? And normally let's say, uh, your treadmill says you've just burnt 200 calories. Well, theoretically, actually, if you didn't go on the treadmill and you just sat on the couch watching the telly, you'd probably burn about 140 calories in that period of time. Because the brain. I'm not talking about what, you know, brain dead stuff. Something that engages your brain. Um. Will take up a lot of energy. In fact, reading your book as well is even more energy intense. So going on the treadmill isn't 200 calories. You should really look at it like, well, that's an extra 40 calories over that last half an hour compared to if I was sitting reading a book. And I think that is one of the things that my honours degree was in the somatosensory part of the brain, and I was really interested in that, mainly because of my deafness. For those that are new and don't know, I read, that's why I put the captions on. We're hearing aids and I'm very interested in pain. Lower back pain specialism was one of the things I did as well, because when I was 23, I was told I'm in a wheelchair. By the time I'm 50, I was shown a very convincing image about my lower back pain. And here I am at 60. Playing soccer three times a week, nowhere near a wheelchair. And I think just broadening out this, this talk. Um, you know, you can be shown very convincing images and you can be told some very convincing stuff about any problems that you're, you're facing. But if you go back to common sense, the human body is designed to heal. Uh, now, when we talk about brain, uh, or TBI, is there I mean, that is a, like a crush injury or some sort of old car accident. That's not what the body is designed to do. We're not really designed to be in a metal box going at 70 miles an hour, and that's why it's difficult. But I'm talking about your run of the mill sort of average things that are going to hurt your back, you know, climbing a tree, falling over in the snow, that sort of stuff. We should be able to heal from those sort of things. Um. Tracy is asking, what is the password for Doctor Labs meeting? You just go into the calendar on school and click on the Thursday meeting, and it should just come to life. If you have a problem on the night, I will, uh, I will make sure that the password is there for everybody. Um, Richard, I really have a question here I want you to answer from Lisa, which is a great question, and I know you're going to love it. Uh, can I get to it? Yeah, yeah, just coming back to these drops. Really? I've just found the ratios. The ratios look good. Um, I'm quite impressed with the ratios, actually, because they are, um, as nature intended, if you like. Um, I don't think there's enough potassium in there to to cause that problem. Uh, the magnesium is pretty high, so the ratios are pretty good. Um, it's more than likely something else coming from the diet. I mean, we do consume lots of potassium from the meats that we eat. Um, for example, is nature intended? Beef and lamb would contain four times the volume of potassium to sodium. Cramping issues are usually to do with with calcium. Um, either too much or too little. Um, it's usually too much. So things like raw dairy, cheese, uh, eggs, for example. Eggs are very high in calcium, that calcium also competes and depletes magnesium. Um, and I can see that this one, at least from what I can see, doesn't have calcium, which is a good start. Um, the amount of potassium in there isn't going going to be causing that problem. We get far more potassium from the food we eat. In fact. I mean, what I would say with that is the ratios are spot on. Um, but those drops, we would probably want to consume quite a lot of those drops to get, um, to the amount of sodium and potassium. To put into perspective, one of my servings is probably four times higher in sodium and potassium. Um, but the ratios are fantastic. That is one of the better ones that I've seen, if that helps. Yeah. That's brilliant. Uh, just to answer Kayla's follow up about if calories don't matter, um, why are they measuring calories? Well, actually, when they look at energy expenditure, they're not really measuring calories. They're looking at things like hydrogen and oxygen atoms. And, uh, you know, the daily expenditure is is looking at, um, the constant flux of water in and out. And they look at urine and sweat and water vapor and breath and all that sort of stuff. And then they correlate that to what they think. You know, a calorie is a calorie is a unit of heat. I mean, it's just a fact. Uh, it's nothing to do with nutrition, but it is a way for people. Can, can understand that they can measure energy. So it is just something to to, um, hang your hat on, uh, you could say energy usage, you know, BTUs, anything. Uh, if it's consistent, then we'll use that terminology. But in the end, what it's looking at is turnover within the cells. Not so much a calorie, but then to make it easy for people to understand, they then, uh, say, you know, let's say it's 100 international units of energy. Well, people don't understand that. So I say, well, the approximately that's 200 calories. And then everyone seems to get it. It's just we've got to change all the language, um, to make it understandable. But we could get back to the percentages as well. And like I say, the brain uses 20% of the available energy to run. That's it. So when you're in a trauma situation, you could say it's possibly maybe he's burning up 30% of available energy, which would mean obviously those other organs are having less of a percentage, and that would possibly indicate that there's a lot of repair going on. There's a lot of plasticity in there. Anyway, um, I don't want to get bogged down with that, but I think it's a really fascinating subject, and it's one I'm particularly interested in. Um, so. Let's have a look. Did we get into the turmeric question? We haven't, have we? Oh we have. Ah, this is the one I know you like. So Lisa's saying she used to supplement with turmeric for a couple of years, but I haven't had any for a number of months now. However, I have noticed that my urine is now smelling like turmeric. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, Matthew has put a comet underneath. It's likely oxalate dumping or oxide detox. Yeah, I completely agree. Um, these compounds are toxic. Absolutely toxic. Turmeric is not your friend. And again, as we've mentioned before, it all expresses the Nrf2 pathway, which is an oxidative stress pathway. It can confer a benefit in the short term, uh, because it activates the, um, nuclear factor, uh Kappab pathway, which will then elicit, uh, an Nlrp3 inflammasome response, which means that taking turmeric in the short term will lower inflammation, but it does so through activating an oxidative stress pathway. Um, so it will confer a benefit in the short term. But in the long term it's going to cause issues and can contribute to arthritic pains. Uh, oxalates are toxic needles. The build up in the joints, uh, breast tissue in the thyroid, um, anywhere within the body, and can lead to things as extreme as thyroid cancers. Um, so turmeric, contrary to popular belief, is not your friend. But yeah, it makes perfect sense. Lisa, I'm glad to see that you've taken the turmeric. Um, how you feel in without it is the question. That's all we want to know. How are you feeling since you've stopped the turmeric? Right. That is that that is a great, uh, thing to end on because we're doing allow other password for the doctor apps thing on Thursday is 123456. Okay. Uh, we're very unlikely to get hacked in here, so that is a very easy password to remember. If you can't remember that, uh, then, uh, your cognitive function needs to improve, and you need to ramp up carnivore food you're eating. So. Yeah. 123456. We'll drop it in the comments. Also just in case. Yes, well I have I'll put it in the comments there in, in in school I mean all right. Yeah okay I think I do anyway. Yeah. So good. When people click on it, it should all come to life and Doctor ABS will be here. I was half expecting him to be in the room, actually. But anyway, Richard, um. That's great. Thanks for your input. It's been really fabulous For those listening on the audio podcast, if you want to take part. See the people that are asking the questions there. They're so glamorous you wouldn't believe how wonderful they look. Um, then you can join school. There'll be a link in the description. We've got a latecomer here. We'll enter, we'll let them enter. And I'm going to disappoint Michael when he comes in, because the first thing he's going to hear is what he's saying. So that's it. We've done our hour at 8 p.m. for those that are late getting in. There is a playback. So if you got your timing wrong and you've just arrived, then, uh, there is a playback. If you've enjoyed this hour and you thought it was too much information, you were trying to take notes. There is a playback that's going to be available. I always do a transcript and a PDF, so it's all there if you want to read it later on. Uh, sorry to see you, Michael. Late, uh, one of our best contributors. So the playback will be online tomorrow. Uh, Richard, do you want to end? Do you want to finish? Because this always made rabbiting on. Yeah, but you do it so well. You do it so well. Look, I just I'd like to thank you all for continuing to support. See, a new every Monday is fantastic. I mean, it's, um. We've moved from five, uh, to eight, and it does seem to be working a lot better for me. I think it's working better for you guys also. Um, but thank you for the continued support. Massively appreciated. Some incredible questions. I've got some homework to go away now and look at things like coenzyme Q10 in, in specific, uh, animal proteins. Um, every day is a learning day. Every day is a learning day. But thank you all and look forward to seeing you on Sunday. And I'm going.