Reversing Kidney Disease: CARNIVORE HEALTH Expert Reveals How Tim's Getting Off Meds for Good!

In 2019 Tim was given 2 weeks to live. His journey since then has been incredible. In this interview Tim shares how he started the carnivore diet and the changes he's seen since then. He is on peritoneal dialysis due to kidney failure and was also dealing with high blood pressure and diabetes. His doctor was shocked at how well he was doing and told him to keep doing whatever he was doing now. Tim has also lost a significant amount of weight and noticed improvements in his back pain and stiffness. He is happy that he decided to try the carnivore. 
Tim has diabetes, and in 2019, he found out that he was in end-stage renal disease because of his diabetes. His sister helped him find a nephrologist who could take him. He also met coach Stephen recently who helped him along the journey. He also got eye surgery in 2019 to help with his vision. When he saw the doctor again in 2024 after being on a carnivore diet for four weeks, the doctor said that Tim's eyes looked great, and he no longer needed injections. 
Basically, his wife saw his health deteriorating and told him to try Coach Stephen’s consultation. He found it very refreshing, inspiring and felt connected to be recognized as a human being and not as a source of money. He found Carnivore a healthy option, witnessed a positive change in his mood, energy levels, people around him also commenting. It became easier to sleep. The journey continues.

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In 2019 Tim was given 2 weeks to live. His journey since then has been incredible. In this interview Tim shares how he started the carnivore diet and the changes he's seen since then. He is on peritoneal dialysis due to kidney failure and was also dealing with high blood pressure and diabetes. His doctor was shocked at how well he was doing and told him to keep doing whatever he was doing now. Tim has also lost a significant amount of weight and noticed improvements in his back pain and stiffness. He is happy that he decided to try the carnivore. 

Tim has diabetes, and in 2019, he found out that he was in end-stage renal disease because of his diabetes. His sister helped him find a nephrologist who could take him. He also met coach Stephen recently who helped him along the journey. He also got eye surgery in 2019 to help with his vision. When he saw the doctor again in 2024 after being on a carnivore diet for four weeks, the doctor said that Tim's eyes looked great, and he no longer needed injections. 

Basically, his wife saw his health deteriorating and told him to try Coach Stephen’s consultation. He found it very refreshing, inspiring and felt connected to be recognized as a human being and not as a source of money. He found Carnivore a healthy option, witnessed a positive change in his mood, energy levels, people around him also commenting. It became easier to sleep. The journey continues.

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Speaker 2

[00.00.01]

 Hi there and welcome to another interview. Today I've got the fabulous team with me, with his partner Franci, and it's always nice to have the couple, the people that you first meet on your first call. And it happens over such a lot in this particular area because when you have something wrong with you, your partner is your rock, your support, you see. And this is why we're going to have two people on the screen. But the main person I'm going to be talking to his team, but Franci will definitely chime in. So here we go. I'm going to ask the question that I ask. Absolutely. Everybody hates him. Why did you become Carnival? 

Speaker 1

[00.00.35]

 Well, um, to make a short story long, um. And, uh, I went to the carnival board because I just. I needed a change, and I needed to do something different with my eating habits I had. And, well, come to find out, an extremely unhealthy relationship with food. And so, um, we just, we needed to do something different. I had a lot of health challenges, and, um, we just looked into different diets. And the thing was, I was getting so frustrated with like, okay, well, do do I need to change to like, a whole food plant based diet? Kind of like a hybrid carnivore plant based food diet and or just like keto. Paleo. Like, there's so much information out there. And of course, with the internet. You get inundated with information. And so with that, though, I was getting extremely frustrated because I knew I needed to do something different because of all the health challenges that I had. And I just felt like, you know, diet was going to be the core foundation of it. And, um, I was just getting frustrated. Francis Francis saw my frustration, you know, because I wanted to do something different. I wanted to become more disciplined with my eating. But, um, from my doctors to my nephrologist to like, you know, well, you need some carbs and you need more, but you need more protein and, uh, like, just inundated with information. And I just felt so defeated because everywhere I looked, everywhere I, I, everything I read about it was. Hey, try carnivore or hey, try keto, or because keto is the way to go and our whole food plant based diet, that's the way to go that, you know, 100% go do this. And I saw so much contradicting information from, uh, comments and videos that I saw on YouTube, and I was just getting just defeated, really. And then Franci, um, introduced me to coach, um, and she said, hey, you need to check out this video. And she sent me the video, and you were actually interviewing Steve, I believe. Um, and he started talking about how, like, oh, well, I have sirloin and just and I had heard about carnivore before, um, and I was like, uh, but, you know, you hear these things and you think, well, it's just a fad. It's just, you know, oh, it's the the latest craze. And, um, but friends who was like, hey, uh, he actually coach actually offers a consultation. So, I mean, and I see it's just about the money, like, it's just a video and he's just trying to get your money. And she's like, well, look, it's. I mean, what's it going to hurt? You've already done the research. You've tried these different things. And, uh, I think the code should be really good for you. So I was like, all right, look, I'll give it a try. You know, let's go ahead and do it. And so we set up the initial consultation, or rather Frances, then have the initial consultation. And, um, I was, uh, very skeptical because I'm naturally that way. I'm a very critical person, I critique everything, I'm very analytical. And, um, and so I went into it with somewhat of an open mind, you know, um, but, uh, I was like, I'm here to get information, you know, and but it was just amazing because, like you, you answered all my questions, and it was just it was a breath of fresh air for me because you were just genuinely just empathetic and encouraging, and you were factual, like, okay, this guy knows his stuff and the things that you were sharing with me and like you put you put to bed a lot of the reservations that I had about going into this diet, and really that was just the biggest plus for, for us is because you brought clarity to something that was just so confusing with all the information out there, and really it was just the kind, genuine, empathetic, and compassionate way in which you presented everything. And, uh, I really had some friends, like, I felt like he saw me. And not just an opportunity to get someone, you know, to pay money or do this, or buy into this a program or something that like, I just felt like you saw me and that spoke volumes to me. And so I started, uh, I felt so encouraged after our initial consultation and, um, yeah, so we started doing the carnivore diet and man, it's it's been a ride since. That's brilliant. Thank you. And I got a bit choked up then. Sorry. Um, so you came to me with stage five kidney disease, and I have to make that clear, because looking at you, you're a picture of health, uh, peritoneal dialysis, um, and on the transplant list. And Franci was very, um, bothered about doing the right thing. You were very bothered about doing the right thing. And like you say, we went through a protocol And can you remember what you told me after our first when we did our first sort of follow up, 

Speaker 2

[00.06.38]

 how you were feeling, the weight you lost and all this sort of 

Speaker 1

[00.06.40]

 stuff? Oh, man. Um, so our first follow up, um, happened about a week after the initial consultation called. Right. So I, um. Uh, jumped on board a couple days before our initial consultation. So I had cheated as far as starting the diet. And, uh, but I started seeing an immediate difference. So, like, from the point of consultation to our first initial meeting, um, was about, uh. Well, yeah, seven days, eight days. And just within those eight days of just, uh, I had achieved, you know, um, fasting for 24 hours. Um, and I was, like, extremely surprised, uh, how hungry I really wasn't, um, because I started my, my go to has always been like beef patties. Like I say, always. I've only been doing this for about a month, but, um, my go to has been hamburger patties. Um, and so, but I've really enjoyed just again just to go to hamburger. Um, and I started eating just like once a day and I'm like, okay, I'm in fact, I actually, like, had a message coach messaged you because the weight loss happening as well. And I was concerned. I was like, hey, I'm I'm losing a lot of weight here. And, you know, I'm really concerned. And, um, but you were on point. You said, well, it's probably just water weight and, um, but, uh, my energy levels were up and, um, the, the thing that was just noticeable, um, by other people, people around me, um, at work, they're like, man, what is what are you doing differently? Because you just look healthier now, mind you. Um, part of what the driver of making this change was, um, I had gotten very sick at the beginning of July, and I was, um, uh, had, like, a really bad head cold. In fact, I had a sign itis laryngitis, um, pneumonia. And then my ears had climbed up, and so that that had lasted for about four weeks. And I was just miserable in France. Who was actually during that time, she was actually away on a business trip in Uganda. And so I'm like from for, well, a little over two weeks. So, um, into July. So, um. 

Speaker 3

[00.09.25]

 Which was not easy being no way, knowing that he was this sick. And I felt very powerless. And that was where when I came back, I'm like, we have to make a change. I wasn't able to be there to help you. And, you 

Speaker 1

[00.09.42]

 know, so, so, um, yeah. So I'm like, okay, I'm feeling like just like a turd. And I'm going to do something different. And so we, um, uh, I started, uh, eating, you know, uh, changing my eating habits and a couple of days before the consultation. So we had the initial consultation felt so empowered, so encouraged after that initial consultation. And then we did our follow up visit, and I could not believe, like, just my my mood was elevated, my energy was elevated. Um, people at work noticed that there's just a difference there. Like, wow, you look, you just your color in your, in your face just has come back. And your eyes don't look so sunken and and puffy like there's something different and like, yeah, I feel different. And, um, so yeah, that was the biggest noticeable thing. It's just people around me and just commenting on how I just looked. 

Speaker 2

[00.10.50]

 Yeah. Tim. Now, one of the things I love about you in France is when I first met you, you were very clearly skeptical, and you asked a lot of questions. And I'm going to say this to other coaches out there. For people asking questions, they're interested doesn't mean they're trying to catch you out. 

Speaker 1

[00.11.05]

 Um, but you are underselling how bad you were because, you know, you were told you going blind. You'd need injections for the rest of your life. Your EGFR was allegedly less than 15, you know, on 

Speaker 2

[00.11.19]

 dialysis. And, uh, you're doing that at home. So could you just tell us a little bit about, 

Speaker 1

[00.11.26]

 um, how, 

Speaker 2

[00.11.27]

 for instance, is it easier to sleep now because the dialysis for people that don't know peritoneal dialysis, you do at home and do it while you sleep. Has there been changes in that? 

Speaker 1

[00.11.38]

 Um, it has been easier to sleep. So, um, to kind of touch on the, the history. So I was actually diagnosed with diabetes when I was, uh 16. And so, um, and I remember that initial meeting with the doctor, um, because he, you know, they sit you down and they said, okay, well, well, first let's go over medical history or family history, you know, and so who in your family you know has diabetes of anyone? And I was like, well, inside. And he goes, oh, okay. Well you know. And so I started explaining the medical history. You know, my mom had diabetes. Her mom had diabetes. Um, on my dad's side, his his mom had diabetes. My uncle my dad's brother has diabetes. So it was kind of like, all around, you know, on top of not having the greatest, uh, eating habits, you know, coming from a Hispanic family where we're all about carbs. So, you know, you get us our beans, our rice is like, hey, we're good to go. That's a meal in and of itself. Um, and so we, um, so, so growing up in that, you know, and, um, I told my parents, like, hey, I'm just not feeling right. So they took me to the doctor, and then that's when the doctor diagnosed me with, um, diabetes. Um, now, the interesting thing about that is because I was 16, you know, which according to the doctors, you know, that's, oh, that's child onset diabetes. But I've never been diagnosed with child onset diabetes. They've always told me I type two diabetes. Um, and so when immediately on insulin injections and then I had been on and off insulin injections throughout my life. So I had, you know, gone off to, uh, left home when I was at 20. Got off to Bible college and then I, you know, would sometimes take my injections sometimes. And what they call like the honeymoon phase of diabetes. And so I had always just kind of like, struggle with it. And, um, right about the time, uh, uh, that I had met Franci. Uh, well, actually, a short time before I met Franci, the doctor was saying, like, hey, we might need to take, um, a really good look at your kidney function. I paid no mind to that. And, you know, just went went on about life. Well, fast forward to when we moved to Texas, and I'm working three part time jobs, and I'm just feeling, like, really rugged and wore out. And I'm thinking, okay, it's because I'm working three part time jobs, you know, and just trying to make ends meet. And, um, but little did I know that my kidney function was decreasing and decreasing. And so, um, by a matter of divine providence. I went into, um, one of the, uh, one of the side jobs I had. I was trying to qualify for a trial. A medical trial, um, to where they just pay you for, you know, basically to be their guinea pigs. And so, um, I went in for an initial consultation, and the nurse ran, um, again, the history, and she's like, okay, what symptoms are experiencing? And so I started telling her symptom after symptom after symptom, which is, you know, I'm well, I'm fatigued and my blood pressure is high. And, you know, my, you know, bowels are irregular. Like I just go down a litany of just lists. And she she's like, writing down all these symptoms. And she said, okay, I'm pretty much gonna like, tell you right up front, you're not going to qualify for this trial. Um, so I'm like, okay, so I'm start picking up my things, getting ready to leave. She's like well, hold on, we need to figure out what's wrong with you. And so because I didn't have any insurance at the time. So I'm like, well, here we go. Like I can't figure out what's going on here, so I might as well just leave. So she was, uh, kind enough to go ahead and just take my bloodwork, do test run tests and everything. Um, and she said, okay, well, the doctor's going to come, uh, give that to you. So. Um, about a week after that, the doctor calls me. I'm on my way to, um, night school, and she says, okay, Mr. Hernandez. Uh, yeah. Yeah, this is him. And confirmed the information and everything. And so she said, okay, um, what are you doing right now? I told her I was like, well, I'm heading to night school. And she said, okay, I need you to stop, and I need you to go to the E.R. right now, okay? Too late. I can't do that, you know. What do you mean? I go to the E.R., and she said your your numbers are just off the chart here. Um, by all all that I see you're in stage five or stage four, if not end stage renal disease. And that just, like, floored me because I was very familiar with the term because my mom had actually passed away from complications due to kidney failure. And so I was like, whoa, wait a minute. And the image that I had in my mind, uh, was, you know, uh, in, in center treatment, dialysis. And because that's what my mom went through and I was like, whoa, what's going on? And so I was like, okay, doctor, thank you. I'm going to get a second opinion on 

Speaker 3

[00.17.32]

 this. By the way, this was October of 2019. So 

Speaker 1

[00.17.37]

 so yeah, October 2019. And so I'm like. Well, just flawed. Well, um, again, through a matter of divine providence, my sister actually calls a nephrologist. Um, because I couldn't find one, I was frustrated because I'm like, I don't have insurance and no one's going to take me. No nephrologist is going to take self-pay kidney patients, so. Well, there you go. Just pushed through, but there's no more pushing through. Like it was just I my body was shutting down. It was literally shutting down. And so my sister actually called found someone that would accept their like, don't even worry about we'll figure out what to do. Just get them in here. So we went and that began my journey on dialysis. So um, I started at home PD or peritoneal dialysis. Um, and so that's just they get your abdomen fitted with a catheter and then so I'm able to dial these on a nightly basis, um, at home. So still able to work, you know, by the grace of God and, um, you know, and doing that treatment. Um, but, um, part of it, by that point, I had already dealt with many complications from diabetes, from neuropathy. Um, to, you know, the itchy skin we talked about, um, to my retinal, uh, reattached surgery, my retinas, uh, retinas had detached and so bleeding. So I pretty much was legally blind and being very foolish and still driving, just pushing through and driving and putting my life at risk and probably everyone else's blood. So 

Speaker 3

[00.19.34]

 the year before he found out about this was when he had his, um, eye surgery and both eyes. And it was December, November, December of the year before he almost was completely blind yet. 

Speaker 1

[00.19.47]

 So. Yeah, so but had retinal detachment surgery. Um, but just I'd been dealing with the complications from diabetes and kidney disease. And so we that was 2019. So 2020 honor to. Really just about a month ago, I had just been dealing with the frustration of like, okay, what works? What does it find is something that somewhat works, and then getting tired of it because it's just like you just get frustrated. And so then you know enter coach and and we we just play it I just I want to emphasize this to people that are like, that are like me, that aren't analytical and even somewhat skeptical. Like, don't be so hard on yourself if you're skeptical. There's a lot of information out there and a lot of it can be somewhat misleading. And so having someone to walk with you in this journey, like coach, um, and unfortunately, not everyone can have a Franci, um, that is there to support you, you know, but you can find a community. And that's what I've found in doing this is just a community you know, between coach, between Franci and I know that there's groups out there, but, like, don't be too hard on yourself if you are that analytical person because you've just been given a lot of information and having to decipher through it all, you know, and I can't say and encourage it enough, like having someone like coach to walk alongside you in this, it's I mean, the benefits are just off the roof because one thing is just accountability. Um, but another thing is just like having a genuine, empathetic person like coach. I mean, it's just it it's. Like you couldn't breathe and just have a sigh of relief because someone is holding you accountable that has your or your best intentions at the fore. Yes. Well, 

Speaker 3

[00.22.04]

 for instance, it sounds it's very overwhelming, like Tim was saying, um, with all the options and all the things that you're all of a sudden trying to change your entire life overnight and looking into getting lost in the Google, YouTube, everything. Yeah. Um, it's just nice to have someone that's doing the guesswork for you and eliminating that guesswork of like, because we would try eating really healthy and doing that, and then come to find out that the vegetables that he was eating was actually bad for him. And we thought we were doing something that was benefiting him when it was actually worse for him. So it's having that understanding of the whys that coaches really helps hone in on 

Speaker 1

[00.22.49]

 And also. 

Speaker 2

[00.22.51]

 Yeah, yeah. That's lovely. A lovely thing to say. And, you know, I do appreciate it. Brings a lump to my throat. And, you know, one of the things I don't like about online coaching is I can't hug people or shake them by the hand, you know, and I thought I'd come and meet you, but, 

Speaker 1

[00.23.04]

 um, yeah, 

Speaker 2

[00.23.05]

 one of the things I've I've actually been telling people since we first met was, you know, I ran the protocol past you and spoke about the ten foods. I think it'd be really good. And they weren't all carnivore for people out there. It was, uh, you know, Tim's a chef. He wanted some other stuff. So I gave him those options. And then we went through the ten things I would really avoid in this situation. And Franci laughed and said, uh, that's pretty much what he's been eating. So 

Speaker 1

[00.23.33]

 it did sort approved 

Speaker 2

[00.23.34]

 the point that these foods were in particularly not great. Um, and a lot of those were fruits and veggies. But anyway. Right. 

Speaker 1

[00.23.42]

 Um, 

Speaker 2

[00.23.43]

 for the I think we were just talking about, of course, you had a great thing the last time you went to the ice specialist. 

Speaker 1

[00.23.49]

 Yeah. So um, all my follow up visits. Um, so about this point right now, it's been about four weeks on the carnivore diet, and so, but, uh, about two weeks ago, um, I had a bunch of, like, doctor visits and everything. So for those of us familiar with, um. Uh, dialysis protocol. So my clinic, uh, every two weeks, I do, uh, blood work. And then two weeks after that, I usually meet with my nephrologist. Um, and then I've got, um, because of the eye surgery, I've got, um, different visits and follow ups as well. So, um, so the eye doctor visit, um, was amazing. Uh, I go into the doctor and, you know, they do their usual workup, you know, dial up my eyes, do a retinal scan, and then, um, uh, I go and sit in the chair and wait for the doctor. So he comes in and takes a look. He's got this little magnifying glass, and he looks at each of my retinas and he's like, man, uh, looks great. And mind you, it had been about a year since I had seen him last. And so, uh, I would get injections just about every six months to a year apart depending on how, uh, my eyes were. Um, and because of, um, inflammation in the back, the eye. And, uh, so he looks and he's like, oh, great. And he looks over to his aide and he says, okay, so when was the last time he was in? Um, it's been a year, doctor. And he's like, wow, really a year? Um, okay, well, let's make it another year. And I'm like, okay, no, no, no injections is like, no, you don't need any injections. So I was like, this is awesome. So, uh, yeah. So I would be giving them an injection. Um, so like literally a needle in my eye every, uh, while it started every three months and then went on to six months and six months was pretty much about the regular. And so I thought for sure I was going to need, uh, an injection because it had actually been, uh, 12 months and been a year. And I was shocked when he said, like, no, everything looks good. Um, I love, you know, what's going on. And, uh, hey, whatever you're doing, keep doing. So I was like, okay, cool. Um, so, yeah. And honestly, like, blood pressure plays a great role in that. And so and that's one of the things that has been affected by the diet is just my blood pressure is starting to normalize now. I've even got a really just I've gained a more sensitivity to my blood pressure medication. Um, and actually, right, right before I started the diet, my nephrologist said, um, prescribed, uh, about four more blood pressure medications. So because my blood pressure just would not come down, part of it was the medication from when I had gotten sick, um, you know, in July, but still, like, even before then, like, they they were concerned, like, man, they just You're not. Normalizing your blood pressure like we've got to do something about it. So she had just just before the diet prescribed four additional medications. And I have not had to take any of those additional medications. In fact, um, one of the things um, or uh, is, uh, amlodipine that I take along with, um, another blood pressure medication, but I've actually had to kind of wean off the amlodipine because it's been dropping so much. Um, and so I've gotten a greater sensitivity to my blood pressure medication. Um, as far as the diabetes goes, that's an awesome story as well, because the diet has really controlled the blood sugar levels. Um, like doctor or like coach said, um, I would eat um, that was surprised to to see that I can actually eat some fruit, you know, and, you know, just with the carnivore diet. And so I've been enjoying that. And so just focusing on those ten foods that, hey, are really good for you, I can eat and I've noticed that. Well, wait a minute. Wait. I'm not hitting these blood sugar spikes like, what's going on? And I've actually had to wean off of Genovia, um, because of the drops. Like, I've had a lot of low blood sugar events and, um, I've, I've had I haven't been able to do that for a long time. Confidently. I've gone off of diabetic medication just because I'm tired of this. I don't want to do this anymore. And it was detrimental to me. Like my blood sugar levels were just spike. But now, like with the diet, um, and and with what I'm eating and the disciplines, I've actually seen a lot more low blood sugar events. So much so. But I'm actually having to wean off of the Genelia. So. Yeah, it's it's amazing. Yeah. 

Speaker 2

[00.29.19]

 Tim. And it's shining through the screen. And I can remember when I first met you, um, you are a different person without a shadow of a doubt. And, uh it's amazing. I just want to mention one last thing. Because when people do this way of eating. Yes, we've talked about some amazing things there, but also there's some low level things. For instance, you had some notes, some things that you're in your lower back you mentioned in the doctor said you're going to have those forever. What 

Speaker 1

[00.29.47]

 happened there? Um. Well, with the weight loss, um, you know, uh, I'm half the man I used to be, so, um. I'm actually so right about the time that I started the diet, I was weighing in right around 200, you know? So for those unfamiliar with the peritoneal dialysis, you've got about 2.2, um, uh, getting gross. Yeah. Uh, fluid. Um, so I've got a last fill. And so with that, I would always kind of hover around 200 and so but like in a matter of three weeks. So in total now I'm holding steady at one, uh, like 168. So, so in total I've lost, you know, basically £25. Um, I actually 30 goes to £30. And so in less than a month and less than a month. Yeah. And so that was the thing that was shocking. You know, like I said earlier, you know, I actually messaged coach and was just like, is this normal? I got freaking out here, you know, because the way was just dropping, you know, and I'm like, I'm not that hungry. And, you know, it's just like, ah. And, um, but it was awesome then. And so I started dropping the weight and, um, I started noticing just different things. The, um, one thing I noticed is that I had, like, in my lower back, these nodes. And when I was in my 20s, I went to a doctor about it. And he's like, well, you've just got tumors. Wait, what? I've got tumors. And he's like, well, you know, we we call them that. It's not like the cancerous tumor. You just got fat nodes in the in your back and just. And so they were always just been there, you know, and they're about, you know, something about this size. You know, about the size of my fist and in my back. And I just woke up one day and I was telling fantasy, I was like, wait a minute. Like, those nodes used to be so big. Like some of them are completely gone or just have grown, uh, or decreased in size so much that they're about like the size of, I want to say something like a peanut or something like a walnut. And I was like, oh my gosh. And like, it's really hot. My back out. My back is not as stiff as it used to be. Um, and stiffness, inflammation. Um, I was noticing like just before I started the diet in the mornings, I would, I would start waking up and I'd have to, like, do this exercise with my hands because there are so stiff, you know. And I'm thinking, okay, well, I'm over 45 now. It's just this is just life, you know? And I'm just getting older, and I was this is what it is. And but I noticed one morning I was telling Franci, I just woke up and stressed, and I was like. Let's look, you know, it's like. What? You know, and I'm like, this is amazing. Like, I'm not the no stiffness. Like, I'm not like, are ever trying to, you know, move my hands like it was like with ease. Right in the morning first thing in the morning. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. And 

Speaker 3

[00.33.11]

 so and that was within the first like 

Speaker 2

[00.33.14]

 week. The first week. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's just 

Speaker 1

[00.33.20]

 amazing what 

Speaker 2

[00.33.22]

 team I'm so glad in France. He said so glad that you agreed to do an interview so early on in your journey. Um, and it is one of those things that if people are watching, it's not always as miraculous as this, but but it is miraculous for more often and more often than not. And, uh, you know, it's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you, Tim and Franci. I just want to thank you for doing it. And, um, you know, hopefully we can come back in maybe six months or something and revisit this. I know we've got some coaching sessions coming up, but maybe do a sort of more public thing again in about six months if you'd be interested in doing that. Absolutely. 

Speaker 1

[00.33.59]

 Absolutely, coach. Okay, 

Speaker 2

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 so anyway, I just want to thank you again and, uh, hope everyone at home enjoyed it. Thank you 

Speaker 1

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 All right. Thank you so much.